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2006.12.04

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lightandstorm

Catholics actually aren't fundamentalists, not by any means.  No literal interpretations of the bible here. ;)

He does have a point when he says that throwing anything (money, condoms, whatever) won't help unless you actually work with the people and try to educate them.

However, it makes me hang my head in shame for my religion when our leaders don't actually face reality and acknowlegde that abstinence isn't the only way we need to approach problems like this.  That and the subtle barb against homosexuality.  I hate that.  But seriously, the actual theological tenets of Catholicism make for a very understanding and accomadating religion...it's too bad our representatives either don't understand that or don't project it.

ES

I agree about the 'throw money at a problem, hope it goes away' mentality. What got friends frothing was the last statement which you, quite rightly, class as homophobic - although most people didn't consider it at all subtle.

I do think this attude of One Man + One Woman in a Faithful Momogomous Relationship is a standard viewpoint from the 'Back to basics' end of many religions - which is a form of fundamentalism, but is not a form necessarily of extremism.

Catholicism infact is a very accomodating religion, but perhaps not in the way that many think - a lot of pagan religions found protection under the Skirts of the Mother Church, which would have failed with a protastant church in charge - it is easier by far to say 'I pray to Saint Brigitte, not to the Pagan Goddess Brigit' :)

I don't think that is what you mean however - but I do agree that many many catholics are more likely to accept differences IF they are the tolerant sort. It is those who are hard-liners that make life difficult.

Jon Dose

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I do agree that many catholics are more likely to accept differences IF they are the tolerant sort. But that is true with any religion or anyone.  A person will be more tolerant if they are able and willing to accept the fact that their position may be incorrect.  If a person is able to argue both sides of the point, they probably will be more likely to have a tolerant stance on the issue.  Even CS Lewis was able to do this.    I think that the Catholic Church is more fundamental than some, but less than others.  There are a number of strict literal interpetations in Catholisim... some of which have and still do get in the way of common sense and modern thought.


 


As for the comments on women being "Satan's weapons", if this is the point of departure for womens rights, I am not sure where the destination is.  

lightandstorm

There are a number of strict literal interpetations in Catholisim...
some of which have and still do get in the way of common sense and
modern thought.


Officially, yes.  But I really think that the officials and leaders of the Catholic Church aren't being true to the religion.  I think they are just trying to keep their members, as Christian people are increasingly more conservative, they want to increase their membership by appealing to these people.  That, and I've noticed that in any area, the more experienced ones are always the ones that can't think in new ways.  They always seem to be stuck in the past, whether we're talking about church leadership, experienced computer programmers, or whatever.

All of that said, I think a lot needs to be done to fix the church, and turn it into what it should be. The theology behind it seems to allow for this change, but it's a matter of will the people encourage it instead of shut it down.

I personally feel I am fully Catholic, but I have no problems reconciling it with modern thought or even liberal thought.  I'm pro-choice and support gay marriage.  I'm an oddity, and I shouldn't be.

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